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Post by Steve on Aug 31, 2008 19:23:32 GMT -5
Volcanus and Dolphanzee vs Lockjaw and Magmire
Battlefield: The Aviary
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Post by avpvjp on Aug 31, 2008 22:40:29 GMT -5
LockJaw and Magmire'll probably win here. LockJaw will have absolutely no interest in eating his team mate, and will probably go for Dolphanzee first, and while he'll hold out for a bit, LockJaw'll catch up and crush 'im. Meanwhile, Magmire takes Volcanus, and they seem pretty evenly matched. Then LockJaw finishes eating Dolphanzee, and turns to Volcanus to pretty much slaughter her, between Magmire's initial attacks and LockJaw's. Any birds that interfere would probably be nice little snacks for LockJaw, but enough could keep him distracted for a bit.
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Post by zillachary on Sept 1, 2008 0:03:57 GMT -5
LockJaw seems overpowered, the way you say it,Avpvjp
This is another toughy.Volcanus and Magmire seem even, and Lockjaw is definitly tougher then DZ, but if Volcanus and DZ use wit, they may have an advantage.
I have to say a tie.
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Post by Steve on Sept 1, 2008 0:04:39 GMT -5
I don't think it's as cut and dry as it initially looks.
Dolphanzee outclass Lockjaw and Magmire in terms of intelligence, meaning they'll probably be able to coordinate their attacks better. Volcanus' flight capability also grants her an advantage, allowing her to fly out of Lockjaw's reach and manouver out of Magmire's line of fire.
Dolphanzee, I suspect, could probably outmanouver LockJaw; perhaps he'll become disctracted while snacking on the birds.
There's also Volcanus' heat absorbtion. I could see her defeating Magmire by prancing around him and gradually draining his heat; when you cool down magma it turns into rock.
If they play their cards right, I think Volcanus and Dolphanzee have a fairly good chance at taking this. I'm undecided at the moment, but leaning slightly in their favour.
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Post by zillachary on Sept 1, 2008 0:15:11 GMT -5
All good points, Steve.Now Volcanus and DZ have my vote.Mind over matter, they say.
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Post by tyrantisterror on Sept 1, 2008 1:10:06 GMT -5
Hmm, tough one. It seems pretty stacked in LockJaw and Magmire's favor - particularly since neither Volcanus or Dolphanzee have attacks that can hurt Magmire. Add to that LockJaw's sheer badassery and you have what seems to be a pretty obvious match.
Seems.
You have to take into account that both Volcanus and Dolphanzee are very, very intelligent creatures who are also very fast and suited to melee. Since Magmire only attacks creatures that are outwardly hostile to it, he may very well sit most of this battle out if Volcanus and Dolphanzee don't bother him at the beginning. Of course, the only reason they'd do this is if they were faced with a more aggressive, violent threat - a voracious, vicious, and violent monster... oh, hey, LockJaw!
Dolphanzee couldn't take LockJaw on his own - while he can outmaneuver and outsmart the big rex, he doesn't have the raw power to put him down for good without help. Volcanus is smart enough to understand her need for the ape-monster and could very well decide to come to his aid. If the battle gets really rough, she may even drain heat from Magmire - and act the lava monster probably wouldn't understand until his body begins to get seriously stiff. By the time Magmire realizes what's going on LockJaw may very well be dead - and his murderers would be coming for Magmire.
Volcanus and Dolphanzee would also probably have the birds on their side - Lockjaw is a bigger threat to the birds than the other two, and they've already tasted his flesh according to the bio. So when the two go for Magmire they would have plenty of back up. Magmire's ranged attacks would be damaging, but Volcanus could absorb them, as well as much of the heat he generates (and don't worry about energy build up - all she has to do is release a blast of fire at anything in the arena other than Magmire and she's good to go). After enough of his heat is absorbed and released by Volcanus, the mammals could bash his cooling body until they hit the core.
Now, back on the other hand, Volcanus is a villain, and may honestly not give a crap whether her team mate gets eaten. She may also see Magmire's massive heat factory of a body and get greedy, resulting in her dueling Magmire in a one on one while Dolphanzee gets eaten. Magmire would overpower her; none of her attacks on their own can really hurt him, and if she tried to escape, duck for cover, or find a weapon to beat him with, he'd just blast her from long range (he's one of the best ranged fighters here). Lockjaw's sudden appearance would only make more trouble for her.
Soyeah, this match could go either way. It really depends on the character's choices.
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Post by Phelan on Sept 1, 2008 1:33:48 GMT -5
This one is an interesting fight.
Lockjaw actually has the worst of both worlds in this matchup -- Volcanus and Magmire are both on the field. While, yes, Magmire is technically on the same side, he's gonna have to be mighty careful of his attacks to avoid catching Lockjaw in the blast (or eruption) and this stifling the monster's regeneration.
Speaking of Magmire, he might actually take more time attacking the battlefield than either of the two opponents. Given that those birds seem to take a perverse delight in egging on the fighters and given Magmire's fighting style, he might pay more attention to the birds who might seem more hostile than Volcanus or Dolphanzee at the start of the fight. This, in turn, would make the birds actively hostile making Magmire focus on them and leaving Lockjaw to the tender mercies of Volcanus and Dolphanzee.
And no matter what happens, when Magmire starts throwing out attacks the heat bleed from his shots will just power up Volcanus who can, in turn, play merry hob with Lockjaw's regenerative abilities.
There's also the fact that Dolphanzee's pretty smart and could actually goad the birds in attacking his enemies or get them to antagonize the birds somehow giving rise to the earlier scenario of Magmire paynig more attention to them and not to the fight.
I'm also questioning Magmire's regenerative ability; it's stated he absorbs the earth under his feet but if this is a former park then most of the earth would be covered in concrete wouldn't it? So I'm wondering if Magmire could heal as effectively or at all in this setting.
But, like everyone else, I see that this match could easily go either way depending on how all the monsters involved act.
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Post by GREGOLE on Sept 1, 2008 12:19:15 GMT -5
Magmire's stimulus and response fighting style works against him here, with two clearly sentient opponents and a horde of lesser monsters ready strike whoever pisses them off first.
As stated, Dolphanzee would probably try to get the birds to go after Magmire in some way, being that he's a dick like that. He could play some friendly fire tactics and trick the birds into thinking Magmire's attacking them or vice versa.
Bird attacks or no, Magmire isn't liable to get too involved until he himself is placed in danger, and I think Volcanus and Dolphanzee are smart enough to avoid attacking an enemy that poses no immediate threat until the more aggressive monster is dealt with.
One on one, Lockjaw could probably take either one down. But together, he's in deep shit. He may critically injure an enemy first, but he doesn't have much chance against both of them at once.
So, finally Magmire is alone. Can he take on the injured Volcanus and Dolphanzee? ....... I haven't a clue.
Another possible scenario is Lockjaw trying to eat the birds and being distracted by them, while the others go for Magmire instead. In that case, Mag and LJ might have an edge, in that they're both alive and active.
A third possibility is Dolphanzee and Volcanus deciding to be pricks and attacking the birds, pissing them off and royally screwing themselves over.
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Post by Omegarex24 on Sept 1, 2008 13:59:37 GMT -5
I guess I had better go on record that bleeding Magmire's heat is not an easy task, if even possible. He's been able to go in prolonged, beam spamming fights without even so much as slowing down. Trying hit and run isn't going to stop him, and if he gets pissed off, he's going to burn anything in sight, namely those birds.
If Volcanus tries to go for Magmire, he can at least keep her busy enough to allow Lockjaw to take down Dolphanzee, because as long as Magmire feels threatened, he's aggressive, and he's going to keep trying to attack Volcanus.
If that works as well as I think it will, Lockjaw can come in and try to strike Volcanus, turning the odds in my team's favor.
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Post by Phelan on Sept 1, 2008 15:31:20 GMT -5
I'm still thinking Lockjaw's at the worst disadvantage in this fight because he's got one enemy and one ally who can both stop his regeneration dead in its tracks. Even if Volcanus didn't suck heat straight from the tap (ie, Magmire), all of Magmire's attacks would throw off a great deal of waste heat just by their very nature. That would, in my mind, be enough to power up Volcanus's abilities to the point where Lockjaw's in a world of hurt.
And there are some of Magmire's attacks that are probably just as dangerous to Lockjaw as to his enemies which is a further complication.
And Omegarex does bring up a good point -- even if the birds do et involved, Magmire can burn 'em all down pretty quick or at least drive them far enough back that they'll become a non-issue again. Eruptions, heat pulse, the fact they'll probably ignite just by touching him....
Dolphanzee has a chance of breaking through Magmire's shell using the sonic cannon version of echolocation but I'm not quite sure how effective that'll be. Then agian, I'm also doubting Magmire's regenerative abilities in a place covered by concrete so it might even out.
Overall, I'm leaning towards Magmire and Lockjaw.
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Post by avpvjp on Sept 1, 2008 18:23:39 GMT -5
Hm, little less sure of LockJaw and Magmire's victory, since while they do have a significant advantage in raw power they're mentally left in the dust, leaving a real brains vs. brawn type of fight. IF Dolphanzee and Volcanus work together and think it through they can win, but it's close. Plus, keep in mind the arena was a zoo, and while the amusement park and visitor portions are paved, the enclosures wouldn't be, which should provide Magmire with at least something to regenerate with. Also, Most of the place is wrecked, leaving little to no cover from Magmire, and alot of the place is slippery.
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Post by Omegarex24 on Sept 2, 2008 23:53:13 GMT -5
Magmire can absorb concrete, for those of you who think he can't. It's all rock, when you get down to it.
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Post by Phelan on Sept 3, 2008 0:05:27 GMT -5
Magmire can absorb concrete, for those of you who think he can't. It's all rock, when you get down to it. For the record, I said I was unsure; mostly because the entry in Magmire's bio used the phrase "earth" However, that puts yet another wrinkle into this fight but basically just reinforces my confidence in Magmire and Lockjaw winning this fight.
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Post by zillachary on Sept 5, 2008 23:10:11 GMT -5
Lets also note the slippery bird-shit covered ground, like Avpvjp said.
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Post by avpvjp on Sept 5, 2008 23:19:18 GMT -5
^Right, and with Volcanus and Dolphanzee relying on speed, agility, and intelligence, a fall could be a death sentence with Magmire's lava or LockJaw's drooling maw behind them. But, that also goes for LockJaw, being a much less coordinated animal than either of his opponents. A fall won't be as bad for 'im, but it gives Volcanus and Dolphanzee time to get some hits in, and Volcanus can negate his regen. I think this fight's alot closer than I initially thought...
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Post by GREGOLE on Sept 7, 2008 12:15:54 GMT -5
I'm still up in the air about this one. There are so many variables, it's hard to choose. But I picked Volcanus and Dolphanzee, on the grounds that Volcanus can fly, so that's at least one monster who's not going to fall on her face the moment she tries to get mobile.
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Post by zillachary on Sept 7, 2008 12:18:09 GMT -5
I think Volcanus and DZ have the win here.Pretty much everything is covered by what you guys said.
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Post by avpvjp on Sept 7, 2008 12:41:28 GMT -5
Gunna go with Volcanus and Dolphanzee here. Mind over muscle, and even with some EXTREME muscle on their side, LockJaw and Magmire are bested by both Volcanus and Dolphanzee's cunning and the arena itself, but it'ld be a very, very close fight. Volcanus's fire based attacks negate LockJaw's regen, and DZ's sonic blasts'll push Magmire around pretty well.
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Post by tyrantisterror on Sept 7, 2008 18:21:05 GMT -5
After much deliberation, I'm going with Volcanus and Dolphanzee. Magmire is going to start the fight being very stoic and calm, while LJ is going to go for the mammalian monsters from the get go. They're going to fight him first as a result - first being neutral to each other while facing the big threat, and eventually helping each other out of necessity. LJ is no pushover, so Volcanus will probably steal some heat from Magmire - probably while being flirtatious, like a gold digging girl friend who steals from her bo's wallet while flaunting some cleavage. Magmire won't know what to make of the seemingly-non-aggressive act thanks to the seductive face and body language behind it (Volcanus's bio paints a picture of a Poison Ivy-ish supervillain that kills with a kiss - and this nature will not be ineffective against Magmire's simple, peaceful brain).
So LJ finally goes down, leaving Dolphanzee and Volcanus against a less-hot-than-normal Magmire - his heat having been drained pretty steadily by Volcanus during the bout. The two mammals would have enough brains and power to at least immobilize him - turning him into a solid Magmire statue long enough to win the fight (he would eventually break free). At their best they could hit his core and kill him. The birds would be added help, providing at least a good distraction to let the mammals breathe a little.
Dolphanzee and Volcanus all the way.
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Post by Steve on Sept 11, 2008 12:27:54 GMT -5
Hrm... in lieu of all the points brought up I'm tossing my vote in for Volcanus and Dolphanzee.
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